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New Portobello High School - PPAG win legal appeal

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New Portobello High School - PPAG win legal appeal

Postby seanie » 12 Sep 2012, 09:10

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Postby Franck » 12 Sep 2012, 10:47

Well, who won?
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Postby Snow White » 12 Sep 2012, 11:03

Well said Molehusband. There is no victory in the children’s loss. PPAG would do well to remember this.
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Re: New Portobello High School - PPAG Judicial Review

Postby portygeoff » 12 Sep 2012, 11:06

A loss for the children of Portobello and a victory for some small minded NIMBY's. :(
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Re: New Portobello High School - PPAG Judicial Review

Postby Franck » 12 Sep 2012, 11:09

As someone not affected either way by this, I'd be looking to question the council and hoping they have a fall back.Why have they been so confident ( the same could be said about posters on here) but been so wrong?

Call the law an ass, be offended that a small group of nimbys can have such a dramatic affect on kids education, but accept the ruling is legal and the other lot were right.

And now, what are the alternatives?
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Postby lg1726 » 12 Sep 2012, 11:10

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Postby atanabalan » 12 Sep 2012, 11:14

The Council didn't have the right to try and put the new school there.

We need to focus on finding a usable site and get the job done properly. There is no gain to had by pointing fingers at incompetent council staff, poor legal advice, or even PPAG.

I want a school for my kids, but it looks like the eldest will not get a new one at all.

Castlebrae looks like an option...

The old Scottish Power site

Let's just get this done!
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Re: New Portobello High School - PPAG Judicial Review

Postby Lones » 12 Sep 2012, 11:27

Dreadful news. The poor kids of Porty High.
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Postby wangi » 12 Sep 2012, 11:45

Anandan, not sure how much you've kept up to date with this over the years... but the park is the best worst option. There has been extensive consultation & deliberation on this issue - it wasn't just plucked out of thin air. Scottish Power site, Harry Lauder rd etc and all no-go. Build on site really does need the area occupied by St John's (but what about it?) - and this was the 2nd option... That's why people are very frustrated that a small number of people have been successful in denying our community the high school it desperately needs

Castlebrae isn't even in the catchment...
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Postby AndyB » 12 Sep 2012, 11:50

This is an absolute joke. Time and time again it is approved and this is somehow not good enough. What is our right of appeal? Do we have a right of appeal? If not why not? The law is an ass. This will now cause much unrest in our community and feelings of anger will be running very high. I hope that these small minded people that are ruining the education of our children are proud. Up until now we have listened to them and watched as they waited until the very last minute to appeal each time but I think that any feeling we did have will now be elevated to anger.
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Postby seanie » 12 Sep 2012, 12:02

Castlebrae isn't in the catchment but...the arguments about other sites not being viable were true. There are very few sites suitable for a new PHS, the existing site isn't one of them, and the urgency in replacing PHS only increases.
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Re: New Portobello High School - PPAG Judicial Review

Postby Porty » 12 Sep 2012, 12:10

Well we always said we would have to abide by the law. All along we've been led to believe we were in the legal right, turns out not. I feel totally devastated for the school, its community and the community at large. Who know where we go from here.

Congratulation to the Connelly's, Cairns, Hawkins, Dunn and the rest of the selfish blurts. You stopped the school- you must be ecstatic. You need to live with it now tho!
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Re: New Portobello High School - PPAG Judicial Review

Postby atanabalan » 12 Sep 2012, 12:16

The "best worst option" is not an option if you don't get to build the school.

I understand that the decant effectively only leaves the existing site + St John's.
There has been suggestion of an appeal of the appeal - I do not claim to understand the legal subtleties but the rejection seemed solid.
The Council does indeed exist to do what the residents of Edinburgh want - regrettably, it also has to do this within the law. Ass or otherwise, judgement has come down against us today so we must sort out what plan b is quickly and learn from the mistakes of the past.
'Mistakes' because despite majority opinion, and perhaps even previous legal counsel, our plan A has not succeeded so far.

rmolehusband - thanks for the welcome. I will not troll nor troll-hunt. Posting on talkporty does not sway planning commitees, councils or courts.

Angry as we are - we must move forward else the school will never be built. anywhere!
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Postby Grunk » 12 Sep 2012, 12:26

Perhaps next time they decommission a North Sea oil platform, we could see if we can have it to build a school on.

I think the repercussions of this will last a long time, What a shame for the kids, for progress, for common sense and for Portobello.
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Postby seanie » 12 Sep 2012, 12:28

I'm not sure the existing site + St John's is a viable option. St John's have made it perfectly clear they don't want to move, and the time involved in first relocating St John's may be too long even if they were amenable. Even assuming the combined site was available, you'd still be looking at huge additional costs for a decant that currently aren't budgeted for.
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Re: New Portobello High School - PPAG Judicial Review

Postby gillian » 12 Sep 2012, 12:43

PPAG may have won the legal battle, the moral war however was lost by them sometime ago. No Andy, they won't lose any sleep over it. Selfish, small minded people tend not to. Live with it they will.
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Re: New Portobello High School - PPAG Judicial Review

Postby seanie » 12 Sep 2012, 12:47

PHS is still a very good school, but also still in urgent need of replacement. The important thing is how we now do that, given the extreme constraints.
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Postby Mark Cameron » 12 Sep 2012, 13:07

Very worrying that Kenny MacKaskill is stating there is no plan B.

I think a community meeting needs to be convened at the earliest opportunity with the council in attendance to ensure momentum on getting this school built is not lost -whether that be appealing the appeal or agreeing a new site.
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Postby Chas » 12 Sep 2012, 13:09

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Postby lg1726 » 12 Sep 2012, 13:13

Kenny MacKaskill is, as well as our local MSP, the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and to state that the council has his backing to appeal the appeal is significant!
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Postby fresian » 12 Sep 2012, 13:24

Not a problem for those who complained. Ian Ross's son was at Heriots, and Alison Connely's go to Holyrood. It would have been a different story if neither had these options available to them. It's the kids and the community who lose out. I also think it time someone called for a vote of no confidence in the PCC officebearers.
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Postby Porty » 12 Sep 2012, 13:33

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