Kings Road teatime fights......

by **Gemini** » 21 May 2005, 18:29

Both Friends had excellent arguments from their own personal experiences.

I go along with much of what has been said, by Bob/Marya/Foxy, although still feel the same way as Epykat and Wangi,

I am!

What I don't know (and hope,never to know) is, what my reaction would be if anything like this happened to my son, does anyone truthfully know how they would react?

It seems the laws in place are not working very well.

Perhaps a higher Police profile on the streets? CCTV's (as mentioned by Bob) and appears to work well in many cases.
Boot Camp? Birching? Perhaps making the parents pay-up for any damage caused deliberately by their child/ren? But how do you punish kids, cause that is what they are at 15/16 and 17, for murder?

I was once charged for driving a scooter with no licence/helmet and with a pillion passenger on the back. I was sick with worry at the thought of having to tell my parents that the Police would be paying us a visit.
They went ballistic! I received a Ã‚Â£20 fine - but the lecture and the embarrasment of it all has stayed with me.

by **Epykat** » 22 May 2005, 12:35

I wouldn't advocate battering murderers to death with a plank of wood.....however, these kids know, as well as we do, that they'll get a couple of years in a young offenders institution learning how to hone their skills in murder, drug taking and general law breaking, then they'll get out, get loads of help from social services to become model citizens and get on with their lives - probably whilst on benefits that we are paying for. No deterent whatsoever to doing exactly what they want to do. And that's what's wrong with society.

<gets off soapbox, takes off Mary Whitehouse hat...........>

by **Brian McCrow** » 22 May 2005, 13:45

How prepared would you be to pay more for your Council Tax to get more Bobbies on the beat and CCTV cameras on the Prom and High Street?

I've seen zero tolerance work in places such as New York and it's worth every penny. Until we can demonstrate every day to the petty criminals and their parents that they will be caught and punished we will descend even further into a respectless, lawless society.

I for one want to return to more decency and respect for fellow citizens.

We need to improve discipline in schools with fines and even imprisonment for parents as they are often the root cause of the problems.

We need to reduce binge drinking as alcohol is a major factor in lawlessness. I'd like to see the Bobby on the beat visiting pubs on a regular basis to prevent issues rather than being called out when trouble breaks out. Pubs etc should be fined when fights break out and licences revoked more often.

We need to remove graffiti and tidy up our streets. By putting resources into this NOW we will end up with a better society in the longer term. So money spent now should lead to reduced spending in the future and a brighter future.

by **Maria** » 22 May 2005, 14:54

by **Sandra** » 22 May 2005, 17:09

by **Pal of Porty** » 23 May 2005, 00:41

by **wangi** » 23 May 2005, 11:27

by **Gemini** » 23 May 2005, 12:33

by **Dadaist** » 23 May 2005, 12:35

by **wangi** » 23 May 2005, 12:44

by **Dadaist** » 23 May 2005, 13:09

by **Porty** » 23 May 2005, 14:56

by **Porty** » 23 May 2005, 15:21

by **Maria** » 23 May 2005, 16:39

by **teddygirl** » 23 May 2005, 17:27

by **Bob Jefferson** » 23 May 2005, 18:01

by **Epykat** » 23 May 2005, 21:35

by **Bob Jefferson** » 23 May 2005, 22:58

by **Gemini** » 23 May 2005, 22:59

by **Brian McCrow** » 24 May 2005, 09:06

by **Brian McCrow** » 24 May 2005, 09:34

by **Gemini** » 24 May 2005, 12:22

by **Novastar** » 24 May 2005, 15:20

by **Poppy** » 24 May 2005, 15:49

Novastar, as far as I'm concerned you've hit severals nails on the head!

It's probably too late to do much for some of the 'youth' that's hanging about here [and elsewhere], but it would be good if the well intentioned teenagers got something/somewhere safe and fun to be. We have to think long and short term - there's certainly no magic POL wand that can be waved to suddenly turn baddies into goodies!

But as Epykat says - who will take on such a project?? I ran a youth club as a volunteer at Powys in Aberdeen 30 years ago [yikes - that long ago!!] and, as Powys was (and still is?) one of the most deprived parts of Aberdeen it was no easy task. Especially when often neither the volunteers nor the children got much support of any sort from some of the parents. It got pretty hairy at times - thank goodness for the janny's Alsation dog! :twisted:

But I enjoyed it then. However, now I'm no longer a layabout student and am a lot older, I doubt I'd have the mental strength to cope!!

by **Porty** » 24 May 2005, 16:58

One thing we maybe could do is set up a POL yoof forum. They could air and share their views, would be interesting to see that.

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