Jack Straw loses the plot.

by **Eck** » 01 Jul 2009, 19:35

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8129146.stm

What is Jack Straw gaining from keeping Biggs locked up?

"But the panel added that "in terms of his attitudes and risk areas" there was little evidence, apart from his increased age, to suggest he would not return to his old criminal lifestyle."

Can you see Biggs holding up a train? No.
Can you see Biggs raiding a bank? No.

The man has to be fed through a tube.

However, Jack Straw feels that he has to waste more tax payers money to stop this high profile criminal getting freedom. Why is it that sex offenders get to swan about the local community, yet an 80 year old man is refused parole by the Home Secretary even though it has been recommended that it be granted!

by **Porty** » 01 Jul 2009, 22:17

by **Porty** » 01 Jul 2009, 22:25

by **Lima** » 02 Jul 2009, 12:57

by **Eck** » 03 Jul 2009, 08:42

by **Franck** » 03 Jul 2009, 11:22

by **Porty** » 03 Jul 2009, 11:40

by **Eck** » 03 Jul 2009, 17:25

by **Eck** » 03 Jul 2009, 17:30

Maybe someone like Paul Flynn, who having met, I can confirm that this man is best off being behind bars:

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/lates ... 5426683.jp

But the career criminal, who was out on bail at the time of the attack and was also under a supervised release for assault and robbery, lodged an appeal against the conviction.

by **Porty** » 03 Jul 2009, 18:50

I'm afraid your argument is flawed. According to you biggs has a few months to live. So following your logic a sex offender or serial killer would only get a short sentence.

Your right that there is a lot of reoffending from released prisoners - your faith in Ronnie biggs is remarkable.but misplaced.

by **Eck** » 03 Jul 2009, 21:21

How would a sex offender only get a short sentence?

I don't have faith in Ronnie Biggs. I have faith in the facts and they are clear that he is not a risk to society and there are far more dangerous people out there who are. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way.

Biggs is being punished for making a mockery of the Government since he escaped from their custody and this is why he is being punished. Straw has even stated that due to his 'outrageous courting of the media' this has counted against him. Straw cannot surely believe that he is a risk to the community.

Lets not forget that whilst Biggs has evaded capture, he has not been convicted or even arrested since that escape back in 1965 save when he re-entered the UK in 2001. Jeez... what a career criminal, 44 years without brushing with the law.

by **Porty** » 04 Jul 2009, 13:16

by **Eck** » 05 Jul 2009, 00:40

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by **Porty** » 05 Jul 2009, 10:42

by **Porty** » 05 Jul 2009, 10:53

by **Eck** » 05 Jul 2009, 16:36

by **seanie** » 05 Jul 2009, 19:16

by **Porty** » 05 Jul 2009, 20:54

by **Eck** » 06 Jul 2009, 01:56

Nobody died from the assault in the Robbery:

"Mills recovered but had constant trauma headaches the rest of his life. He died in 1970 from leukaemia."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_train_robbery_(1963)

If they had then someone would have been charged with either the murder or the manslaughter.

by **Porty** » 06 Jul 2009, 13:01

Inflicting a life of trauma headaches by vicious assault is not a compelling reason for releasing biggs.

I wouldn't be sure he is immune from complicity in another iconic crime- let's face it he is a cheeky shit.

by **Epykat** » 06 Jul 2009, 16:25

by **Eck** » 06 Jul 2009, 17:34

by **Eck** » 06 Jul 2009, 17:36

by **Porty** » 06 Jul 2009, 20:22

by **Eck** » 07 Jul 2009, 02:01

by **Eck** » 07 Jul 2009, 02:18

Hmm, although it's more than likely to be a staged photograph... it does still beg the question... what crime is this guy going to commit?

Compare that to

I know who I would rather was behind bars, however, Mr Cronin is still free and walking about the streets- something that Biggs appears to incapable of doing. If Cronin was to rape another female, or sexually assault someone who do you think they would rather was behind bars?

Here's a little history on Mr Cronin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cronin_(convict)

Within the last month a Sunday newspaper has a photo of Cronin in attiure which was similar to that off a priest.

by **Porty** » 07 Jul 2009, 02:33

You can't have it both ways. Earlier you were adamant that you were only interested in facts, now you say opinion is good enough to release biggs.

Is cronin free because he served his time? You've got yourself all confused. You seem to believe that some who served their time should still be locked up but the exact opposite for others.

I'm not sure the country is ready for your opinion based penal system.

by **Porty** » 07 Jul 2009, 02:41

You started out by trashing jack straws judgement. And you. Armed with the news of the world, seek to persuade us that your opinion is more valid. Yet straw would have had all the facts and opinion to enable him to reach a decision. It seems reasonable to accept his decision given that he is elected and paid to decide on these matters. And he gets the same remuneration whatever he decides

Have you got £100 on his biggs release before his 81st birthday, with ladbrokes? .

by **Eck** » 07 Jul 2009, 02:43

I'm just pointing out that there are people out there who are a bigger danger to society than Biggs.

Again, what crime do you think that Biggs is going to commit.

Maybe this article will help you:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 650836.ece

by **Eck** » 07 Jul 2009, 02:50

by **Porty** » 07 Jul 2009, 08:09

by **Porty** » 07 Jul 2009, 08:57

by **Eck** » 07 Jul 2009, 15:13

by **Porty** » 07 Jul 2009, 16:01

Jack Straw loses the plot.

Jack Straw loses the plot.

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