Ken Bigley

by **Dadaist** » 22 Sep 2004, 09:04

The "Iraq Body Count" internet site monitors and counts up documented and reported deaths of Iraqi civilians since the allied invasion. Whilst it doesn't in any way deny that the Hussein regime killed a lot of people too, it is partisan inasmuch as it is only focused on civilians killed since this latest invasion.

The latest count when I checked this morning, at a minimum, is 12,800.

I really hate Stalin, but sometimes you can't beat a good tyrant for a quote which has a certain ring of truth to it. Stalin lampooned how the west latch on to indivuduals whilst ignoring larger numbers of those killed (the obvious irony is that he was the worst butcher of them all) and said :

"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."

Ken Bigley went to Iraq by his own volition. I know he is a fellow countryman, but I'm afraid I can't quite share Jamesie's sentiment.

by **Jay** » 22 Sep 2004, 13:22

by **Dadaist** » 22 Sep 2004, 13:48

by **Jay** » 22 Sep 2004, 14:14

by **wangi** » 22 Sep 2004, 15:58

by **Sandra** » 22 Sep 2004, 22:08

by **Gemini** » 22 Sep 2004, 22:19

by **Dadaist** » 22 Sep 2004, 23:07

by **wangi** » 23 Sep 2004, 09:16

by **Dadaist** » 23 Sep 2004, 12:18

by **Gemini** » 23 Sep 2004, 12:26

by **wangi** » 23 Sep 2004, 12:38

by **Gemini** » 23 Sep 2004, 14:59

by **ras** » 23 Sep 2004, 17:28

by **Porty** » 23 Sep 2004, 17:39

by **Dadaist** » 23 Sep 2004, 20:41

by **Sandra** » 30 Sep 2004, 09:33

I was sickened at the pictures in the Metro this morning. That poor man must be going through hell.

by **Dadaist** » 30 Sep 2004, 10:26

Yes. And did you notice his situation is exactly that of the Guantanamo detainees, right down to the cage and the orange jumpsuit.

I think the hostage takers have made their point. Maybe we shouldn't have got into bed with the US in the first place?

by **wangi** » 30 Sep 2004, 11:02

by **Dadaist** » 30 Sep 2004, 11:44

You're right - we should insist that only the exact things suffered by those actually detained by US and Brit forces should be exacted on western hostages.

Never mind the fact that the US holds entire countries to ransom, or that the minimum number of civilians killed since their illegal invasion is now 12960 (it was only 12800 when this thread started).

Yes, we should insist that the hostage takers only :

1) arrest and intern without trial
2) ship to a foreign country, although being careful not to make it their own country as what they are doing is illegal after all
3) humiliate, beat, torture and murder their detainees

Yes, you're right. It's important to point out the differences between one Brit hostage and the thousands who have suffered and died since this illegal (in the opinion of the UN Secretary General) invasion and occupation.

Because it's when you point out the differences that you start to notice all the similarities...

by **Porty** » 30 Sep 2004, 17:13

by **mr magnolia** » 08 Oct 2004, 16:28

I think I'll just retire from the human race.

by DG » 08 Oct 2004, 19:09

by **Sandra** » 08 Oct 2004, 20:26

by **Mimpty** » 10 Oct 2004, 12:33

by **Dadaist** » 10 Oct 2004, 12:45

by **wangi** » 10 Oct 2004, 13:19

by **Dadaist** » 10 Oct 2004, 15:00

by **wangi** » 10 Oct 2004, 18:25

by **Dadaist** » 10 Oct 2004, 18:54

by **mr magnolia** » 11 Oct 2004, 10:20

by **Maria** » 11 Oct 2004, 11:07

It couldn't have been expressed any better Mr M. Thank you for putting into words exactly what I feel.

by **Dadaist** » 11 Oct 2004, 15:13

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